A govenment of the people, by the people, for the people is not a two-party plutocracy where corporations and the uber-wealthy control the government and control the very narrative we hear every day. It's a war between personal freedom and liberty versus authoritarianism and tyranny.
Journalist Bob Woodward has become the author of record about the modern American
presidency. Now Woodward's releasing an audio book allowing us to listen in on
former president Donald Trump in his own words. Woodward tells our John Dickerson all about it.
For nine months back in 2020 when the phone rang at Bob Woodward's home on
this leafy Georgetown Street there was a good chance it was a call he didn't want to miss . The Woodward the President. Hi Bob President Trump how are you?
Sometimes Woodward's wife
journalist Elsa Walsh answered the calls which came day or night so we joke and I sort of say
there's like Princess Diana that there were three people in this marriage Bob me and Donald Trump
and it was sort of never-ending the phone would ring is it a robo call or is it Trump?
Mr President
you are connected, Hi Bob. Sir how are you? Woodward scattered tape recorders around the house to be
ready for the surprise calls, I'm turning my recorder on here as I always do and Donald
Trump would talk.
I respect Putin I think Putin likes me I think I like him and talk I said to
the King. "King you gotta pay us for protection" On the pandemic North Korea, Russia race relations
just about anything.
I bring Rage out, I do bring Rage out. I always have I don't know if that's an asset or
a liability but whatever it is I do. There were 16 phone calls 20 interviews all told eight hours of
conversations which Woodward has compiled into an audiobook the Trump tapes out this week published
by Simon & Schuster part of our parent company Paramount Global.
In many ways it's the missing
piece of the Trump story. We've heard a lot of Trump he said a lot but what did he do in the
presidency and having the time I could go back and ask questions again and again. Woodward has
written about the calls but hearing Trump in his own voice he believes is enlightening.
I reported on this in the book I did rage but I then went back and listened to these tapes
and said my God there is a whole new Trump that emerges. We got along great we've always got along
great. His tone of voice offers insight into why Trump may have kept totems from his presidency at
Mar-A-Lago.
Like the letters from North Korea's Kim Jong-un it's clearly a relationship he cherishes
you meet somebody and you have a good chemistry and there is a lot of truth to it . You meet a woman in one second you know whether or not it's all going to happen. Okay, we had a very good chemistry together the topics Veer from the humorous I said did
you ever hear of the song Rocket Man he said no no did you ever hear of Elton John no no
I said I did you a great favor I called you Rocket Man.
Yes you called me Little Rocket Man
to the deadly serious if you've given Kim too much power? No because if he stepped by him if he
shoots one of those that doesn't let me tell you whether I gave it to him or not if he shoots he
shoots and if he shoots he shoots. He says about the North Korean leader if he shoots he shoots
how did you react to that? I really froze because Trump said it in a way of if he
shoots him you know kind of cavalier and of course it would be Unthinkable. One theme
runs throughout all eight hours of tape.
Trump thought the presidency was a one-man show. I get
people. They come up with ideas. But the ideas are mine, Bob. The ideas are mine. Want to know
something? Everything is mine! But a presidency based on personality was overmatched by COVID 19. One of the most stunning moments I've had 50 years in reporting Woodward learned that on January 28
2020 just days after the first COVID-19 case was confirmed in the United States. Trump's National
Security adviser Robert O'Brien had given him a grave warning I hope the exact phrase
I used was "This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency."
I was pretty passionate about it. Yet at a rally two weeks later Trump said this
looks like by April you know in theory when it gets a little warmer and miraculously goes away I hope that's true. When Woodward learned about that disconnect between what the president
knew and what he said, he asked Trump why he didn't sound the alarm? I wanted to
where you said to yourself. "Ah this is the leadership test of a lifetime." No!
When you hear this voice and the way he assesses situations in himself he's drowning
in himself and at one point we're interviewing him and I just offered the commentary. I feel like I'm
talking to a drowning man when he's talking about the virus and he says we've got it under control. Taken as a whole, the recordings paint a revealing self-portrait is it that he thinks of the
presidency as a possession?
Yes, I think he does. I think it's as it's a trophy and he has got it
and he is going to hold it which leads to one of Woodward's biggest regrets, the question he didn't
ask there was one point where I asked him I said I hear that if you lose you're not going to leave
the White House everyone says Trump is going to stay in the White House if it's contested have
you well I'm not I don't even comment on that Sir. I don't want to comment at this time hey Bob I got
I'll talk to you later on tonight it's the only time he had no comment and this of course was
months before his loss and kind of slapped myself a little bit why didn't I follow up
on that a little bit more at the end of the book Rage.
You said that Donald Trump was singularly unfit to be president and now listening to these tapes you draw a more grave conclusion. What is that conclusion Trump was the wrong man for the job I realize now two years later
all of the January 6th Insurrection leads me to the conclusion that he's not just the
wrong man for the job but he's dangerous and he is a threat to democracy and he's a threat
to the presidency because he doesn't understand the core obligations that come with that office.
So the question Is: What is Merrick Garland waiting For.? I see no reason to wait until after the midterm elections, in Fact the sooner he is Indicted, could also have an enormous effect on voting in said midterms. What's your Take.?
Your staff
taking the fifth amendment. Taking the fifth
so they're not prosecuted. When you have
the man that set up the illegal server
taking the fifth,I think it's disgraceful! You see the Mob
takes the fifth,
if you're innocent why are you taking
the fifth amendment?
I'm sure I'm surprised that trump
invoked the fifth amendment because
generally you can give him immunity and
then make him talk and basically this is
a public issue. So I'm not sure his
lawyers may have had a good reason for
invoking the the fifth.
What's up everybody? Major retired Richard Ojeda here and Trump's a real piece of work but I don't
have to tell you that anymore at this
point do I? I mean this is the guy that
recently buried his own ex-wife on his golf course for a tax break who knows
what other types of corpses lay on his
property? This is the guy whose closet is
stuffed with skeletons. Mar-a-lago might
as well be his own personal graveyard.
I don't understand it in almost 60 years
of practice I never invoke the fifth
amendment on behalf of my clients
particularly clients obviously who have
nothing to hide. So it was a surprise to
me, maybe there's a good reason for it
but I don't understand it. As an
experienced attorney.
The fifth amendment is practically made
for him did you know that his own former
attorney Alan Dershowitz was astonished
at how many times he pled the fifth
while the FBI searched his home, not once
not twice or thrice or even ten times he
pled the fifth at least 440 times, an
incredible number he's breaking records
with it! Nixon would be so proud I mean Dershowitz is telling us that he almost
never had to plead the fifth for a
client ever an innocent client rarely
needs the fifth and even if they've done
something wrong they might as well get
immunity before testifying right but no Trump is out here pleading the fifth at
every corner this tells us that just one
key thing and that's whatever trump did
it's completely damning he can't utter a
word of it no matter what because it
will be the end of him.
The hypocrisy of
course is jaw-dropping here and it
really is a moment of shame for Donald Trump and for the American presidency, to
have a former president who has to
invoke the fifth amendment but legally
you're absolutely right this is Donald Trump's right he can take the fifth
amendment the same as anyone else can.
Important to know though, in a civil lawsuit in New York state, if somebody
takes the fifth that can actually be
used against them the jury can draw
what's called an adverse inference
meaning the jury in again a civil case
can sort of assume the worst about what
his testimony might have been.
Now he's finally getting what he
deserves to be held accountable under the law! He's a perverse bastard who took
pleasure from using the American
populace to fund his own lifestyle and
now that's coming back to bite him he
thought he could get away with it by
simply removing evidence of his
misdeeds
from the White House, but he was an idiot
and now the FBI finds it all and the
only thing he can do is plead the fifth
over and over and over again he didn't
even prepare a good lie to look innocent
you know how stupid you have to be to
keep thousands upon thousands of
documents recording your crimes and then
not even have a passable lie to cover it
up.?
For all the travesties he's committed
in this country he sure doesn't have a
mastermind's brain he's all hot air only
kept afloat by his cult of colleagues
who were all together too happy to steal
and feast on America's hard-earned
treasures. They pillaged our righteous
nation and continue to try and gut all
the progress we've made in the past
century.
They want to take us back to a
world where no one has rights but them
and their followers now they want to
control us for their own profit because
harming Americans is just another
business opportunity to them and now Mar-a-Lago's got them all stirred up
since the GOP is banking on twisting the
narrative but that's exactly why we're
going to fight back!
Trump can lie and
cheat and steal as many times as he
wants he can plead the fifth every hour
of every day for the rest of his life
but every single crime of his will come
to light, I have faith in this Country.